Ask the FLN Episode 037 – Jesse Stommel

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Show Notes

In this episode, week Ken chats with Jesse Stommel (@Jessifer on Twitter). Jesse is the other co-founder of the Digital Pedagogy Lab (Sean was on the previous episode).

I met Jesse in circumstances similar to our last guest, initially through my work with Virtually Connecting for Digital Pedagogy Lab workshops, his prolific blogging and tweeting and was finally able to meet him in person at the 2016 edition of the OpenEd Conference. Jesse is one of my key mentors in my work on #ungrading or #abolishgrading and it is difficult for me to express how happy I was that he joined me on this podcast episode.

Extra fun, Jesse requested to leave the interruption of a phone ringing and my asking my son to answer the phone. Then interruptions by both of my other children. Perfect attendance, so all of these stay in. Almost apologies but in a way I like to keep the conversation authentic.

This episode was recorded on June 4, 2019.

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About our Guest

Note: Excerpt taken directly from Jesse’s bio page on his website. Please read more details at that location.
Jesse Stommel is Executive Director of the Division of Teaching and Learning Technologies at University of Mary Washington. He is co-founder of Digital Pedagogy Lab and Hybrid Pedagogy: an open-access journal of learning, teaching, and technology. He has a PhD from University of Colorado Boulder. He is co-author of An Urgency of Teachers: the Work of Critical Digital Pedagogy.

Jesse is a documentary filmmaker and teaches courses about pedagogy, film, and new media. Jesse experiments relentlessly with learning interfaces, both digital and analog, and his research focuses on higher education pedagogy, critical digital pedagogy, and assessment. He’s got a rascal pup, Emily, two clever cats, Loki and Odin, and a badass daughter, Hazel. He’s online at and on Twitter @Jessifer.”


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Ken’s Take

My choice of quote from the conversation that particularly resonated with me.

On relationships:

“To me what it is: what kind of relationship do you want to create with your students? What is the best way for you in your discipline to create that relationship? The discipline isn’t the variable, the level isn’t the variable,  the teacher isn’t the variable, the student isn’t the variable, all of those things are the variables. And so it is such a complex system that what works and what doesn’t work can’t be generalized.”

There is much more to that quote which starts at about 10:05 into the episode.



Music Credit

The music (titled Aloft) clip at the start and end of the podcast is copyright by Kelly Walsh and used with permission.

Podcast Logo Credit

The image of a microphone used in the logo for our podcast is courtesy of Eric Harvey.

Featured Image Credit

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Again, all rights reserved and taken from Jesse’s “Bio page” on his website.

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