Ask the FLN Podcast Episode 034 – Chris Gilliard

--Originally published at Ask the Flipped Learning Network

Show Notes

In this episode, Ken chats with Chris Gilliard, known to many as @hypervisible on Twitter. I met Chris through Virtually Connecting (a common theme in these upcoming episodes) and admire and deeply respect his work in the area of data privacy, surveillance and digital redlining. Last semester I was pulling much of his work to include in my course titled Smart Citizens (originally Smart Cities and in the podcast recording I was saying “Digital Citizens”).

We discuss his work and the bulk of the conversation was myself picking Chris’s brain and his many years of teaching online (over 20 years) to quiz him on how to connect with our students online. I will have my first experience later this year in a fully online mode of teaching at the Tecnológico de Monterrey.

I also have to state here that Chris’s laugh is wonderful! This was a really engaging conversation for myself and I thank him for his time recording this episode.

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About our Guest

Chris Gilliard is a Professor of English at Macomb Community College. His scholarship concentrates on privacy, institutional tech policy, digital redlining, and the re-inventions of discriminatory practices through data mining and algorithmic decision-making, especially as these apply to college students.
Note: taken from his speaker profile at DPL 2018.


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Ken’s Take

My choice of quotes from the conversation that particularly resonated with me.

On how we often as educators assume that our students are all connected and can access our LMS or other digital tools:

“The myth of access is much more powerful than the reality when we are talking about internet, in broadband, and even technology for like who has a smartphone and how to they use it and what´s it for.”

After my story of when I consumed all of my dataplan (downloading all episodes of Gettin’ Air using my plan) which led to my two week experience of what it is like to live without cellphone data and constantly in search of WiFi:

“Right, and that precarious position is something that lots of people find themselves in all the time. Often again, students are sharing their data plans with family members; lots of them don’t have tablets or laptops, so they are required to do everything on that device [cellphone].”

On whether our students really care about their privacy (a common phrase we see and here in writing):

“So, you’ve touched upon (and I am sure you probably did this intentionally) an exposed nerve. So yes they do. I can’t speak across the board but the idea that students don’t care about these things is a again a myth perpetuated by the people who want students not to care and want us not to care.”

“But the other thing is, that’s an easy out for some laziness and bad practices (or malice in some cases to be honest) on the part of teachers and administrators and institutions.”



Music Credit

The music (titled Aloft) clip at the start and end of the podcast is copyright by Kelly Walsh and used with permission.

Podcast Logo Credit

The image of a microphone used in the logo for our podcast is courtesy of Eric Harvey.

Featured Image Credit

Photo of Chris Gilliard

Photo of Chris Gilliard, take from his speaker profile at DPL 2018.

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